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Post by TGS Special K on Sept 8, 2009 22:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Sept 9, 2009 4:57:28 GMT -5
Well that confirms it. We can't use sellers any more. I can't sell cars that have been painted by you guys anymore. It that aspect this sucks. Kinda killed tuning garages.
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Sept 9, 2009 5:08:28 GMT -5
nevermind just read this
Regarding colabs, we are not gifting the car. We are gifting the design, so I gift Hieronymus my design for a car. He applies that design to the car which is unlocked cause I gifted it to him. He finishes his work, then saves the design and gifts it back to me. We both have the design unlocked and can sell it on our storefronts. There is nothing stopping the colab process, as long as you trust this person you a working with you have no problems.
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Post by TGS Special K on Sept 9, 2009 7:42:42 GMT -5
I think it may change us up a little. It looks like you can only list 15 cars in each category (15 tunes, 15 paints) so once we have more than 15 we will have to distribute the back catalog to the sellers.
Also it appears that we can't list a complete car (tune and paint) in the storefront, so we may still have to list some in the AH like before. I wished we could just put a car with the tune on it in the storefront.
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Sept 9, 2009 12:01:22 GMT -5
yeah but if the car is painted by someone else how can a seller sell it, if he didn't help paint it. Yopu can gift him the car but he doesn't have the rights to sell it, only the painter does.
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Post by FTW Shoot Em Up on Sept 9, 2009 12:18:42 GMT -5
If your not gifting the car, just the design. Maybe you can gift the design to the seller. The seller saves it, later builds the car applies the tune and paint then hopefully would be able to sell it.
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Post by TGS Special K on Sept 9, 2009 12:21:56 GMT -5
Yeah in one of the posts Fred says that you can save the design, and then put it on their own car. Since the design is unlocked then you can sell it under your GT.
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Post by TGS Special K on Sept 9, 2009 12:23:16 GMT -5
Still the biggest problem I see is that you can't list a complete car (tuned and painted) on the storefront.
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Post by TGS Hoss360 on Sept 9, 2009 17:50:53 GMT -5
Still the biggest problem I see is that you can't list a complete car (tuned and painted) on the storefront. exactly! but that's why i think sellers will still be a valuable part of every garage. because you can't put a complete car (paint and tune) in the storefront, sellers are still needed to keep the AH stocked. i also believe that i heard once a car is purchased from the storefront or AH, it cannot be resold. if that's the case, noone will be buying multiple cars just to make a profit...
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Sept 9, 2009 18:42:44 GMT -5
Oh look it's the fm.net narc.
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Post by TGS Hoss360 on Sept 9, 2009 20:00:37 GMT -5
where?
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Sept 9, 2009 20:15:16 GMT -5
Don't you have some people to snitch on.
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Post by Wildbill on Sept 9, 2009 21:19:41 GMT -5
Why would you need sellers at all ?!?
The buyer is getting direct from your storefront.
He buys your tune then goes to K's to buy his paint.(example)
He can do what he wants with them. But can't sell them.
Time will tell. Should eliminate the spamming going on now.
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Sept 10, 2009 7:04:49 GMT -5
We don't need sellers, but we are going to keep some of them.
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Post by FTW Cpt Chaos on Sept 10, 2009 7:18:35 GMT -5
We don't need sellers, but we are going to keep some of them. How about test drivers you probably can't put times in the storefront
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Post by JAM1E on Sept 10, 2009 15:28:32 GMT -5
Hey guys. I went through the entire thread and I think I grabbed the only important stuff from it. The quotes below are only from Che, and phREDESIGN. So it is not gossip it is only from Turn 10 officials. I hope that I have saved everyone some time by doing this. After all is said and done it would appear that the sellers are still just as an important part of the group as they were in Forza 2. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Also did this game really need the Bugatti Veyron?
Che wrote: If you create a layer group (i.e., you're the original owner of the layer group or livery) and you gift it to a friend, it will be gifted unlocked. Which means that friend can work on it and gift it back unlocked. Basically, gifting is always unlocked while anything on auction house and storefront is automatically locked.
Not sure if the friend (collab guy #2) can then go and put the design up for sale. I'll have to find out.
Che Team Forza: Here's how liveries/layer groups work on auction house and storefront.
Everything is locked. If you did not create said livery or layer group, then it is locked for editing. You can of course use the design by putting it onto your cars or stamping layer groups onto cars, but once you do that, you can no longer sell or gift those cars because you are using designs on your car that you did not create.
Hope that clarifies. Let me know if you have any questions.
Can we resize the layer group though if it is locked?
Yes, you can resize, spin, etc.
You can sell liveries and layer groups if you created them. The point is, we want to protect the artists and tuners out there - not the car sellers and brokers. If you buy a livery or layer group in the storefront or auction house, you're buying it now for your own personal enjoyment/collection.
Again, you can gift unlocked to your friends if you created the layer group or livery. Otherwise, anything you buy from storefront and auction house will forever be locked and usable only by the buyer.
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Re: Can layer groups be locked?
Regarding colabs, we are not gifting the car. We are gifting the design, so I gift Hieronymus my design for a car. He applies that design to the car which is unlocked cause I gifted it to him. He finishes his work, then saves the design and gifts it back to me. We both have the design unlocked and can sell it on our storefronts. There is nothing stopping the colab process, as long as you trust this person you a working with you have no problems.
Che Team Forza Turn 10 Community Manager
Re: Can layer groups be locked?
Items on the storefront are not tied to a car. You can now save livery files that are tied to a specific car. So let's say I buy a livery for my E92 M3. The creator/seller does not have to buy 10 M3s and livery the car himself in order to sell this livery. He can just sell the livery file. I can then apply this M3 livery to an unlimited number of M3's that I own.
Make sense?
Yep. Now, what if I wanted to place a shape or vinyl group on top of one of those applied livery files? Possible?
Che said: Yes, but you won't be able to sell that car since you didn't create the livery originally.
Che said: Yes, you can sell anything gifted to you because it'll be unlocked.
You can't resell anything bought from auction house or storefront.
Pretty simple.
phREDESIGN wrote: Ok, so here is a quick rundown on some of the things you are wondering about here.
There are two types of files that people can upload to the storefront. One is a livery; this file is locked to a specific car and can only be applied to that car. You cannot place that livery on any other make or model. This file acts the same way a Locked car in FM2 did, if you try to take it into the editor you will be given the message about it being a locked design. If you continue into the editor the design will be erased. But since you have that design saved to your catalog you can reapply it if you accidentally erase the design.
The second type of file is the layer group. This is not car specific and can be applied to multiple cars. If you buy a 100 layer group, that group stays locked. You can only add the group to your design you cannot edit a purchased layer group. Now that 100 layer group still takes away from your layer count, so if you add a 100 layer group to your design you are now left with 900 layers to complete your work. The only options you have with a purchased layer group are position and size.
Now I had someone ask about a design with a number plate on the side that people can add their own number. In order to do this you would have to create 5 or 6 different layer groups for all sides of the car and upload them separately to your store front. Not as a design as a layer group. That way people can apply the groups to the car, then use the editor to add their number.
Che wrote: YOU CAN SPIN AND RESIZE LAYER GROUPS.
YOU CAN ALSO MOVE THEM AROUND!
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Post by FTW Shoot Em Up on Sept 10, 2009 17:17:58 GMT -5
We don't need sellers, but we are going to keep some of them. How about test drivers you probably can't put times in the storefront Times probably not in the storefront But I would imagine there are still going to be threads in the FM3 TM with pics, laptimes ect.. before release day. So good laptimes are still going to be needed.
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Post by FTW Shoot Em Up on Sept 10, 2009 17:28:07 GMT -5
I went thru the thread my self yesterday and yes. Jaime posted all the important stuff turn 10 people confirmed. As far as I can see, we can't go to a store front and buy a car with paint and tune, which is kind of stupid. you have to go to the AH for that. So a seller may still be needed to place cars in the AH if the Tuner and Painter chooses to hire one. One thing I do like the most is that everything is locked when it's purchased from the AH or storefront and you can not re-sell it.
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Sept 10, 2009 18:50:12 GMT -5
Eeven if lap times were not involved at all i still need feedback on my tunes.....the testers will always have a spot. Evryone is styaing except for a few that are digging there own grave.
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Post by TGS Mee Naughty on Sept 10, 2009 22:50:36 GMT -5
Eeven if lap times were not involved at all i still need feedback on my tunes.....the testers will always have a spot. Evryone is styaing except for a few that are digging there own grave. I'm claustraphobic...hope i'me not digging my own grave
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Post by Wildbill on Sept 16, 2009 23:05:32 GMT -5
Ok, if the tune and paint are gifted to the seller, they can dupe and sell cars in the Auction House.
Cool. I think all is good then.
Profiteers will de dead in the water because they can't resell them, lol.
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Post by Redneon on Oct 5, 2009 20:43:34 GMT -5
i still want our sellers to have a spot...they are dedicated to this team so i wouldnt cut anyone after all of the hard work...any other backers>
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Post by TGS Special K on Oct 5, 2009 20:57:50 GMT -5
Actually everyone that is a part of the team now will still have a spot in Forza 3.
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Post by Redneon on Oct 5, 2009 21:00:05 GMT -5
i just hope there is a way to post a full tune/paint to a storefront, then sellers can takeover back catalog...
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Post by TGS Special K on Oct 5, 2009 21:13:37 GMT -5
Unfortunately it appears that you won't be able to list a complete car (paint with a tune) as they are sold separately in the storefront. We will still probably list cars in the AH though.
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Post by Redneon on Oct 5, 2009 21:36:30 GMT -5
yeah if we can post a private storefront...we can post the complete tune and u might be able to buy it with the parts and tune established...then the seller would just have to slap some paint and post on AH.....just overthinking ahead of time
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Post by TGS AintRite69 on Oct 6, 2009 19:08:09 GMT -5
No the seller will be selling in the AH like normal.
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Post by Redneon on Oct 6, 2009 19:47:22 GMT -5
see we still need sellers...i guess we could sell liveries for cost....
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Post by TGS Special K on Oct 13, 2009 12:51:17 GMT -5
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Post by JAM1E on Oct 14, 2009 7:14:45 GMT -5
That is a great video. Can we just have the d**n game now?
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